by George W. Penington - Editor
JULY 31, 2004
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1) WELCOME TO THE
NEW HUNLEY NEWSLETTER
welcome to all the new subscribers. This newsletter will be
published once a month with a link to the online addition available
to subscribers only.
issues are dedicated not only to the brave and honorable Men of
the Hunley, but to the Subscribers and Contributors to each
issue, particularly to the CSS H L HUNLEY CLUB. THANKS
ALL, George W. Penington
THE FINAL BURIAL OF THE LAST HUNLEY CREW
|Mike (the Torpedo Man) Kochan throws dirt on
the graves of the Final Crew after the burial ceremonies
Burial site of the final crew
used with permission from the Post and Courier and
|Final Crew laid to rest - 8 flags mark each
||Location of Final Crew of The Hunley - Flags mark plots
|View of Second Crew on Right of Horace Hunley - picture
taken after final burial. Shows the five crewmen who died
in the first sinking of the Hunley
||The above picture is the Horace Hunley Memorial with the
second crew of the Confederate States Submarine H L Hunley
taken in 2003. The mystery to me is when and how the first
crew of the Hunley was moved and buried at this site?
3) MYSTERY OF THE GRAVE
"Now that C.Simpkins has been identified as Lumpkin has anyone heard
of plans to change
the existing markers in Magnolia cemetery? Also
news on a new marker for the final crew?"
interviewed some of the staff at Magnolia Cemetery and asked them
why there were no markers, their response was that the Staff at the
Friends of the Hunley, Inc. were not positive about the names of the
crewmen and they were not ready to "carve them in stone". I also
asked if they could provide a layout showing the locations and
identification of each crewman. The response I got was that they
were not provided one and was not sure anyone knew the order of
and Courier reported "The man who sat
at the second crank position in the Confederate sub may be the
sailor identified in historical accounts as C. Simkins. Scientists
and historians know little of this elusive sailor, but believe the
man's surname may actually be Lumpkin."
Used with permission from the Post and Courier and
Scientists continue to search for more
information on this sailor, including a verification of
his name. In April 1864, Capt. M. M. Gray of the office
of submarine defenses listed him among the Hunley's MIA
crew as "C. Simkins." Over the years, the spelling
evolved into "Simpkins."
In one letter written nearly 30 years
after the war, William Alexander, the submarine's
builder and onetime first officer, identifies the man as
Lumpkin. The Indian Chief's 1863 duty roster is mostly
illegible. On that paper, recording sailors' pay, the
name reads either "Lumpkin" or Simpkin." It's hard to
tell. Abrams is convinced the man's name is C. Lumpkin.
It is plausible that the name was misread in 1864, and
the mistake repeated in official records for more than a
Of The Post
and Courier Staff
Discussions with the CSS H L Hunley
4) THE HUNLEY TO SAIL
I was talking to a
good friend of mine that went on the Hunley tour
two weeks ago and he said that FOTH plans to patch her up and
actually sail the Hunley again. I told him that he must have
the guide, and that they would more likely build a replica for any
try outs in the water. However he was quit adamant that the original
Hunley would sail again. I don't buy it myself but I let it go at
Anyone else hear of this?
About a year and a
half ago, Paul Mardikian told me that when they
get through with her, the Hunley will be like a "brand new
submarine". I inferred from his comment that the concretion was
covering nearly un-oxidized metal, which would be nearly as exact as
it was 140 years ago.
Also, the volunteers in the lab are just that. I've heard some
very strange answers to questions from them, nothing intentionally
misleading, just misinformation mostly due to the volunteer's
misunderstanding of what had been told to them.
All of the aircraft on display in the Smithsonian are CAPABLE of
flying, even though everyone understands that the Spirit of St;
Louis will never again move under its own power. Perhaps this is
what had been told to the volunteer and subsequently passed on to
I wouldn't think it was too far fetched to imagine the Hunley
placed on display with special effect lighting giving the impression
that she is actually under water either, which may also be what the
Whatever the truth is, I wouldn't worry about the FOTH losing all
their marbles and attempt to restage history with a priceless
I never gave any credence to what my friend told me how ever it
never occurred to me that the guide was giving out misinformation.
When you’re listening to guides you expect them to be well trained
on the subject matter. I'm sure your right, Bruce, that this is the
case. Also Andy, I to remember that there was talk of building a
bolt by bolt working replica of the Hunley to test it's capabilities
in the water.
How did the crew see the situation?
The only thing that really matters in this context is what Dixon
crew of the Hunley believed, and I think it's likely that they
capture to result in a humiliating death.
My point about tonnage has nothing to do with the solving the
the Hunley. I just find it interesting that the real purpose of the
Hunley was to protect its own side's shipping by attacking a
contrast to the real purpose of the submarines of WWI and WWII,
was to destroy enemy shipping by attacking merchant vessels.
6) A death protocol?
Basically, any Confederate weapon employed in defending its harbors
for the purpose of fending off or destroying enemy warships. That
purpose of the Hunley's construction (as well as its predecessors).
lesser extent, commerce raiding was also used to draw off Union
from the ports. However, submarines were used in the world wars
warships as well as merchant vessels - it was the target of
that mattered. Until 1910, submarines were designed primarily as
defense vessels, and not as seagoing offensive weapons. Even in
there is a class of submarines that are classified as coastal
But I must disagree with the notion that the crew seriously
"death protocol". The old thriller maxim that any agent in a
venture must have some reasonable chance of getting out alive
as well. I doubt that the crew viewed their mission as
Death was an occupational risk, not the desired outcome. I do not
that anyone would have volunteered for a suicide mission.
First, no documents - whether personal letters or survivor's memoirs
anything definitively - stated that the crew planned to cash in if
cannot get the vessel back to port. Alexander did not express an
that the crew did themselves in. Reports of a suicide pact were
hearsay and after the fact.
Second, one must remember that the "David" was temporarily abandoned
after its attack on the "New Ironsides". If the "Hunley" crew could
vessel as the only way to save their lives, they would. Dixon knew
submarine would sink swiftly without sacrificing the crew.
Third, there was a convention that if any prisoners were executed by
side, retaliation would be meted out to enemy prisoners. Even if
capture, I believe that Dixon knew that he would have time on his
One cannot discourage the use of "infernal machines" if the
Fourth, I believe that Dixon and the crew underestimated the amount
oxygen remained. They expected to have 2.5 hrs of oxygen - but that
only apply if they did not do any physical exertions. However, I
that they were cranking for probably 30 minutes and used up most of
breathable air. The bellows was probably ineffective - recycling
CO2 than 02 - Becker probably collapsed at his post after everyone
I believe that the crew miscalculated on their chances of survival -
they perceived surrender as the only means of survival, they would
I must admit that I both physically and conceptually more
from the evidence than most, I still cannot reconcile myself to the
notion of a suicide pact - whether planned or decided on the spot.
mentioned earlier, such references seemed second-hand or speculative
As for planned suicide mission, whether something like the
"Yamato" or the kamikaze/kaiten, I cannot accept at all. No final
ceremony, no final address or preparation of their personal
effects, and to have their affairs in order are evident.
Certainly, they could have been lost when Charleston fell one year
As for a spur of the moment, it could be. Yet, I would think
that Dixon would have allowed his crew to abandon ship. If so
then, could there have been nine crewmen? Given the tides and
currents, any floating bodies would either drift ashore, drift out
to sea, or sink. And they would not hover in the area of the
Hunley. I do not think Dixon would murder his crew.
I think that Dixon would want to return to port to try out his
ship again. He proved that he could sink a vessel. He would want
to do it again. If he did not return, what assurance did he have
that a similar attack would be tried again?
If there was any consideration of a suicide pact, then why did
not the crew try to leave a written record in the sub? Trapped
I still think Dixon miscalculated endurance. It is possible that
Union naval activity in the area kept the "Hunley" beneath the
longer than it should have.
The final consideration is where on Dixon's body was found the
coin? I recall that it was in his pocket. If it was in his hand
would be more likely to agree that he was waiting out the
With respect to the gold coin, I have
spoken with Senator Glenn McConnell,
the Chairman of the Hunley Commission, who was present
when the gold coin
Senator McConnell recounted this to me during a
discussion in which he was
describing the way Lt. Dixon's body was positioned when
the Hunley was
opened at the Lasch Conservation Laboratory. According
to McConnell, the
coin was discovered when Maria Jacobson had positioned
herself in a manner
so that she could place her arms under Dixon's legs and
around his torso in
order to facilitate lifting his remains from the silt
that had settled
inside the Hunley. McConnell said that as she was
maneuvering her arms
under Dixon when her hand hit something hard and
metallic inside Dixon's
pants pocket. She then reached inside and pulled out
McConnell also told me the Hunley Commission has insured
the coin for $10
million. Jim Hickmon
<<I still cannot reconcile myself to the notion of a suicide pact
whether planned or decided on the spot.>>
I think of it more as a contingency plan than a "suicide pact."
and the crew must have made plans and agreements to cover situations
in which they would survive the attack but not be able to get back
shore. It would have been foolish not to. Obviously, they couldn't
have planned for every possibility but serious damage to the boat
had to be near the top of the list.
<< No final ceremony, no final address or preparation of their
personal effects, and to have their affairs in order are evident.>>
As you say, there's no evidence one way or the other, which is not
<<...I would think that Dixon would have allowed his crew to
I don't think abandoning ship was an option. The ability of a human
being to survive in cold water wasn't determined scientifically
until WWII. However, Dixon must have known the water temperature and
thus must have had a reasonably accurate idea of the feasibility of
swimming to shore. I'm no expert but I suspect it was quite low.
<<...why did not the crew try to leave a written record in the
Trapped miners would.>>
We don't know for sure that they didn't. Dixon may have kept a
captain's log but paper wouldn't have survived the long immersion.
There was at least one pencil* on board and a pocket knife to
sharpen it. I think I remember reading about some oilskin having
been found a while back.
7) the real purpose of
Several of the books I've read say that the crew, upon being
captured, would have been unequivocally hanged as spies, even if in
uniform. I have to wonder whether this claim, which I've seen as
well, is actually documented by contemporary sources, or if it's
rather melodramatic speculation by modern writers. While HUNLEY was
a novel means of *delivering* the weapon, the destruction of enemy
warships without warning by mines or other "infernal machines" was a
fairly well-established tactic by 1864. ----------> AH
Attacking merchant shipping was already established as a "guerre de
course" - every Navy that opposed Britain in the past 200 years by
that time practiced it - it was the only practical alternative, and
was used by the American Navy in the Revolution and War of 1812.
However, in 1861, all Confederate ships - whether privateers or
vessels were declared as "pirates" by Federal authorities. I
surmise the reason was not necessarily as a justification for
hanging its crews (I am at a loss to find any documentation
verifying any such actions took place -during or after the war), but
to deny any legal recognition to the Confederate government.
However, troops in the field and sailors at
sea continued to follow the protocols more or less for a variety of
reasons (e.g., military custom, family or fraternal) but with the
end of "managing the level of violence."
The Russian Navy employed a system of mine defenses for its base at
Kronstadt a decade before - but proved ineffective during a
Anglo-French attack. This could be compared to the effectiveness of
the Singer torpedoes at Mobile Bay. Apparently, 19th Century naval
mines were only effective for short periods of time underwater.
The idea of tonnage - whether of merchant or naval warships - did
not really matter. Submarines were only capable of sinking a ship -
prize crews could not be accommodated. The Hunley was brought to
Charleston primarily due to the huge bounty on Union warships
promised by its merchants. Had not such a bounty been promised, the
Hunley would have been likely a footnote in Mobile's history, like
the St. Patrick – a promising attempt, but nothing else…..maclilus
The only thing that really matters in this context is what Dixon and
the crew of the Hunley believed, and I think it's likely that they
expected capture to result in a humiliating death.
My point about tonnage has nothing to do with the solving the
mystery of the Hunley. I just find it interesting that the real
purpose of the Hunley was to protect its own side's shipping by
attacking a warship, in contrast to the real purpose of the
submarines of WWI and WWII,
which was to destroy enemy shipping by attacking merchant vessels.
8) MODEL NEWS AND DISCUSSION
Is there anyone out who has built models of the Hunley?
I have just received in the mail Verlinden model of the Hunley, and
it looks quit good. I like the fact that all the stuff that is the
center of speculation is left off the kit, to be built by the
modeler. Any thoughts on this or other Hunley kits?
painting shows the inside of the after hatch to have
been painted a very light color, possibly white. I suspect that the
entire interior of the boat would have been similarly painted, to
the effective illumination of what little light got in through the
hatches and deadlights. However, that's speculative, and I'm not
aware of any specific findings by the archaeologists one way or
another on the matter....Andy Hall
The FOTH reported that the bench was painted white and the paint is
evident in some photos. If I remember correctly, I asked Paul
Mardikian the question a couple of years ago at the Smithsonian and
at that time they had not found evidence of paint inside. I also
remember one of the historical reports saying that one of the three
subs was painted while inside for the same reason Andy mentions.
my 3D modeling I've assumed that it was. Michael (jvnautilus)
Do you think the
Cottage 1/72 kit is suitable for conversion to Remote Control? Does
anyone know if someone is compiling accurate blueprints to be
released for model builders, including interior detail, etc? - Jim
small for even micro RC equipment
Does anyone know if someone is compiling accurate blueprints to be
released for model builders, including interior detail, etc?
Until the Friends of the Hunley begin selling a set - we've been
waiting for years - try mine here: exterior only, available as a
high-resolution GIF and a PDF. I do have some changes coming up.
The latest information I've seen shows a porthole on each side of
the aft hatch cowling. Michael
My name is Ray Arceneaux. After I finished High School in 1958 I
went to work at the Lafayette Wood Works where we made cabinets,
stair cases, and wall divides and other stuff. Every thing that we
made had to look factory made, then I went to work for an insurance
company and retired there.
I was always wanting to make models but I was always put down on
that idea. I went upstairs one day and started building the Hunley
but quit for a long time. One day I got an E-Mail from a guy on the
Hunley and I told him almost everything I knew about it. I don't
think anyone knows everything about the Hunley but he talked me into
finishing the model.
I sent him a picture of the model and he couldn't believe of what he
was looking at. I started thinking of the Monitor they had found and
looked at pictures of it and started making it and now I'm almost
finish with it.
I'm sending you pictures of the Monitor step by step on how I did it
and later on I'll send you pictures step by step on how I built the
Hunley. Now before I finish with the Monitor I'm thinking of making
the Virginia. I guess I'm stuck on the Civil War. The upstairs
looks like a museum. I'm building all of this from pictures and if
I had the blue print I would probably try and build the real thing.
The models are the closest to the real thing that I will get. The
models look a lot more real then the pictures. I carved the cannons
the way they were described until you sent me a picture of the real
cannons. I came pretty close to the real thing. I'm sending you a
picture of my wife and I and my baby boy dog that died about a month
ago so you can get an idea of what I look like and then later I'll
send you a picture of me working on the Monitor. If you need
anything else let me know. See you later. Thank You for your
help. Your Friend, The Louisiana Cajun Swamp Man
approximately 5'feet long and looks like the real thing
You can see the crank, the bench the crew was sitting on,
the candle in the holder and the compass box. Let me know
what you think of it.
The Louisiana Cajun Swamp Man, Ray Arceneaux
THE MONITOR MODEL
INBOARD PLAN FROM 1862
Subject: Hunley Models by Bill
Thomas-Moore and Still Romancin' in Charleston!
Sunday, July 11
So glad to see you again last
April 15 on the Carolina Belle. Wish we had more time to
Our best sites have been in
historic or totally state of the art theaters, including
Coastal Carolina U., Georgetown Theater, and the Port
Columbus Civil War & Naval Museum.
Anyway, wanted to touch base
with you. Bill is under contract to build Hunley models for
an Exhibit at a major attraction here in SC, and will also
offer a limited edition of custom made models (3 ft. to
scale/glass cases, mounted on mahogany bases) similar to the
models you viewed on the Carolina Belle at our performance.
We want to offer a limited
edition of Hunley models...up to date, state of the art,
that is on your site if you wish to add it.
Please note that most models on
websites are not of the Hunley, but of the Pioneer with the
spar on top, not at the bottom, and they're usually not up
to date in their details.
If you're interested in adding a
"custom order" link and sharing with a percentage or other
arrangement for the proceeds, let us know. It could be a
huge bonanza, considering that the commission he's doing
will go international through the other enterprise. We could
still offer custom made models through your site. We're
partial to you.
Hope all is well with you and
your wife...and re-enactor friends. That was quite a week
with the funeral...well done!!
Diane & Bill
BILL THOMAS MODELS
Scientists are now removing the
leftover sediments in the bottom of the sub and studying whether to
use traditional electrolysis, a technique known as cold plasma
reduction or so-called supercritical fluids to remove the corrosive
salts from the submarine.
|Plasma Technology For
LOS ALAMOS USES
INNOVATIVE PLASMA TECHNOLOGY TO TREAT AIR FORCE SITES
LOS ALAMOS, N.M., June
10, 1996 - Los Alamos National Laboratory scientists
have successfully demonstrated at two Air Force bases a
novel cleanup technology that efficiently destroys a
number of organic contaminants and shows commercial
The new system destroyed
volatile organic compounds extracted from soil at
McClellan Air Force Base, Calif., and from ground water
at Tinker Air Force Base, Okla., using a nonthermal
plasma that creates highly reactive molecules called
free radicals to break down the contaminants.
The plasma technology is
likened to cold combustion; instead of using heat to
break up contaminants, the plasma cells destroy
molecules using highly reactive free radicals - atoms or
molecules that have unpaired electrons.
For Immediate Release
July 23, 2004
9) NEW DISCOVERIES INSIDE THE CONFEDERATE STATES SUBMARINE H L
Pump System Could Contain Important Clue to the Hunley's
Though the H. L. Hunley has been emptied of sediment, scientists
continue archaeological work inside the submarine. The interior and
exterior sections of the submarine are covered with a heavy layer of
concretion, which masks internal mechanisms of the submarine and
locks artifacts in place. The work of investigating these hidden
layers is just beginning.
This summer, while scientists began working to remove the concretion
and artifacts from the forward and aft crew compartments, they
uncovered new operational details about the vessel that may provide
an important clue as to why the Hunley vanished after becoming the
world's first successful combat submarine.
Once a layer of the concretion was removed, an integral series of
valves and pumps, connected by a pipe running from the forward to
the aft ballast tank, was exposed. The configuration suggests that
the submarine's pump system may have had a dual purpose. Scientists
knew the pumps were used to control the water level in the ballast
tanks, which enabled the submarine to rise or dive while in
operation. The complexity of the pump system is leading scientists
to believe it also served as a bilge system that would have allowed
the crew to remove water from inside the submarine in the event of
Depending on the valve setting and pump position, Hunley scientists
may be able to tell if the crew was desperately trying to remove
water from the crew compartment or trying to pump water out of the
ballast tanks to gain buoyancy the night that it vanished on Feb.
The remaining concretion still covers a majority of the pump system
and has not been further removed because it protects the submarine
from corrosion as it awaits conservation treatment.
Scientists are hopeful that once they can safely excavate and x-ray
this key aspect of the submarine's internal pump mechanisms, it will
allow us to know what the crew was doing in the last moments of
The forward pump was next to Hunley commander Lt. Dixon's
station. While excavating in this area, many artifacts were found
that provided insight into his responsibilities on the submarine.
Excavation Manager Maria Jacobsen said, "We uncovered a mysterious
concreted object that upon closer inspection turned out to be an
intact oilcan, with oil in liquid form still within it."
A number of other artifacts were de-concreted from this section of
the submarine, including a metal rod, a rectangular flat metal
strap, fragment of rubber-impregnated canvas, an iron wedge, nut,
and hammer. Previously a number of wrenches and bolts were found
near the hammer, and scientists believe these items were once part
of a tool bag, which deteriorated during the submarine's 136 years
on the bottom of the ocean floor.
A section of a depth gauge was also discovered, which still had
mercury in it.
"Finding these tools by Lt. Dixon's station shows that he not only
knew how to navigate the submarine, but had a deep understanding of
how the submarine worked and was actively involved in the ongoing
maintenance of his ship," said Warren Lasch, Chairman of Friends of
- An image has been provided to go along with this press release. To
access, go to our website at www.hunley.org and proceed to the media
center. The caption of the image is: Archaeologist Harry Pecorelli
working around the ballast pipes, valves, and forward bulkhead.
Kellen Correia (843) 722-2333 ext. 32
Pump Valve Speculation
Here's a little speculation on the pump and
valving. I'm addressing only one pump, but I assume the
arrangement would be used for both. All valves would be
accessible in the vicinity of the pump by one person. I
remember a historical report that one of the pumps
became clogged and had to be opened and cleared. If
this is true the pump would need valves to isolate it
from its input and output lines. That means 2 valves,
one on the input line and one on the output. Now,
considering the recent reports, the pump could input
from both tanks and from the cabin floor. It would
probably be necessary to isolate the three sources. It
would definitely be necessary to isolate the floor from
the tank and it would be prudent to isolate the two
tanks. This translates to 3 input valves. If, as
mentioned in the report, water could be pumped from one
tank to the other two output lines are necessary, one to
the tank and one to the sea. Both of these would need
to be valved. So I speculate 5 valves per pump if
active pumping from tank to tank is possible and 4 per
pump if not.
Any thoughts? Michael ("jvnautilus"
Alexander's diagram shows what appears to be a lever for
lowering the tubes, similar in design to the one that
diving planes. To raise the tubes, a crewman would push
towards the stern.
The design makes sense, but keep in mind that
contain many errors such as showing the airbox as being
halfway between the hatches.
Yes, it sure would be nice to know what the scientists
the air box. I sure wish I could hang around the Lasch
center and ask
questions. You listening George?
I AM NOW!!
” Michael wrote: It
might be possible to determine the angle of the pipes
by examination of the rest of the snorkel mechanism
inside the box on the hull plate. We haven't seen a
photo of that since they removed it.”
"hunley_bar" <bfk@b...> wrote: Putting on my design hat,
I come up with the following requirements for the
1. Some device to block the inrush of water from the
tubes when they
were in the lowered position and the sub below water.
It could be something as complicated as a valve working
in concert with the position of the tubes or as simple
as a large cork switched out with the hoses before they
dove (poor idea). The size of the air box implies (to
me, anyway) there's enough room high up in the hull to
fit some type of valve mechanism for blocking water for
times when the open ends of the tubs were under water.
2. A device would also be required to raise and lower
This device may have been be as simple as the captain
opening the forward hatch and reaching behind the hatch
cover to lift the tubes while they were still on the
surface, or (my bet) a lever, located inside the air
box, accessible from below, and possibly a part of a
valve mechanism that BB could raise and lower at will.
If this is the case, then they (FOTH) already know if
the tubes were in the up, down or an intermediate
DOES THE H L HUNLEY NEED TO GO TO MYRTLE BEACH?
developer to open $3M interactive exhibit in center of
The Post and Courier Staff
Pleasant Mayor Harry Hallman once said that if the H.L. Hunley
going to make big money, it needed to go to
it virtually is.
Wednesday, the Grand Strand development giant Burroughs and Chapin
announced plans to open the $3 million, 4,200-square-foot H.L.
Hunley Experience as part of its Broadway at the Beach entertainment
complex. The exhibit puts the Confederate sub front and center in
of one of the country's biggest tourist meccas, telling its
to 11.5 million tourists each year.
Hunley is first and foremost a technological marvel, conceived
and built by Americans," said Egerton Burroughs, company chairman.
Officials with the Hunley project don't expect the new tourist
attraction to compete with the real Hunley's museum, set to open in
within the decade. In fact, they hope this
attraction, which quite literally has the bow of a Hunley replica
jutting prominently from the Grand Strand skyline of gold pyramids,
crabs and oversized planets, will increase interest in the sub
Sparking an interest in the history and science of the Hunley is the
Burroughs and Chapin officials said. They say the Hunley
Experience -- the premiere attraction at the new Adventures in
Science, History and Nature building -- will be an interactive and
historically accurate depiction of the sub.
Visitors will be able to sit inside a mock-up of the Hunley's crew
compartment and crank a propeller through water, look through a
reproduction conning tower viewing port and get a feel for what it
to operate the world's first successful attack submarine.
all, the Hunley Experience will tell the story of the sub, from
circumstances under which it was built through the science and
technology of its recovery and excavation.
want to immerse people in this exhibit," said Pat McBride of
Burroughs and Chapin. "We want to mix entertainment and education
Ripley's (Aquarium) has done so well. We want to teach people
the technological achievements and times in which the Hunley
new tourist attraction, set to open July 7, could be a financial
for the real Hunley's conservation. Under a licensing agreement,
Burroughs and Chapin will pay Friends of the Hunley $54,000 a year
20 percent of gift shop proceeds. Warren Lasch, chairman of
Friends of the Hunley, said he hopes the group will see around
$250,000 annually as a result. The conservation of the sub costs
$1 million a year.
said the money from this joint venture is not the only boost
the submarine. The exhibit will introduce new people to the
Hunley and let them know its conservation is an ongoing project even
though the sub's final crew was buried earlier this month.
will help us preserve the legacy and help us complete the
mission of conserving the Hunley," Lasch said. "We are just getting
started in this, but we think their attention to detail and vision
Burroughs and Chapin officials estimate that 500,000 of Broadway at
Beach's 11.5 million annual visitors will go through the Hunley
Experience. In other words, they aren't worried about the exhibit
wastin' away next to Margaritaville, the Jimmy Buffett chain
restaurant also opening in July.
Jones, Burroughs and Chapin's chief officer for sports,
recreation and entertainment, said the company is interested in the
Hunley because it is "a story worth telling.""It is of such
importance to our American history that the National Park Service
U.S. Naval Historical Center joined in its raising, citing the
for its historical and archaeological preservation," Jones said.
details of the Hunley Experience are still being worked out as
Burroughs and Chapin rushes to open the exhibit by the height of
tourist season. The $1.4 million building is under construction as
$1.6 million exhibit is being built offsite. Friends of the
Hunley officials hope to reach an agreement to display some
the sub on a rotating basis, and they would like to offer a tour
to bring visitors to the
Conservation Center in
to see the actual sub.
details are yet to be worked out. Even the admission price,
Jones said will be under $10, has not been set.
Hunley Experience follows in the wake of a Titanic exhibition
recently opened at Ripley's Aquarium, within sight of where the
Adventures in Science, History and Nature building is going up.
project also firmly plants the story of the ill-fated privateer
modern pop culture. In artist renderings, the bow of the Hunley
protrudes from the front of the building atop turbid seas. This
signage sits at the east end of the Broadway at the Beach complex,
across a man-made lake from Hard Rock Cafe and across the highway
the NASCAR Cafe.
right in the middle of a busy town's busiest epicenter.
Officials said Wednesday that the Hunley exhibit has an open-ended
on the Adventures building but could some day be phased out if
interest in the submarine wanes.
Burroughs and Chapin officials aren't expecting that to happen
with permission from the Post and Courier and Charleston.net
EMAIL AND GUESTBOOK COMMENTS
realname: Robert C. Comins
Remote Name: 126.96.36.199
Date: Monday June 21, 2004
Time: 04:16:11 AM
As a relative of Ezra Chamberlain (Chamberlin) owner of the
copper Union ID tag found on the Hunley, on his mothers side
(Fanny Comins I am very interested in all the stories about the
I am starting to research Lt. Geo. Dixon's pre-war history
(genealogy). I want to find his parents, where they were from,
why they came to Mobile etc. Do you know any diehard Dixon
researchers who have started working on his family tree? I'll
be making trips to the archives and ordering what records that
are available. I'd like to contact anyone who is doing this
type of research so I'm not wasting time retracing what sources
they have already searched.
It is believed that he may have been the son of, George W. and
Lydia Dixon of Campbell Co. Ky. George W. is thought to have
been a riverboat pilot, and the family may have resided in Ohio
for sometime. However, for now this is all research speculation
and not fact.
Let me know.
Erik McBroom Reb Jeb <email@example.com
realname: Barbara McCann
city: Palm Harbor
Remote Name: 188.8.131.52
Date: Thursday June 03, 2004
Time: 10:21:24 AM
Someone sure put a lot of work into this website. Very
interesting and we shall visit the Hunley in July 2004
realname: DAN PYATT
Remote Name: 184.108.40.206
Date: Wednesday June 02, 2004
Time: 12:07:17 PM
I have been a member of the friends of the Hunley for four
years and just found your site. I can't believe how much more
info your site gives for noting compared to their site I have
had to pay for.
My family and I
traveled from Chattanooga, Tennessee for our vacation this
past week. One of the things that I most wanted to see was
the CSS Hunley at the Naval Base. We saw the sign on
Interstate 26 to exit @ exit #216. We didn't go until
Tuesday and we found that the display was open only on
Saturday and Sunday. I do not know who is responsible for
having the sub open for display during the week but I was
very disappointed that you could only visit the display on
the weekend. Charleston has a very rich Civil War history,
which I am sure that you are aware of. This submarine is a
curiosity to Civil War buffs like myself. As long as the
interest is here then I feel like the display should be open
seven days a week. If it can't be open for display at the
Naval Base it should be moved to an area where it could be
viewed everyday. Also the sign on Interstate 26 -there
should be a note below the exit sign to let peolpe know the
sub is only open for visits on the weekend.
Thank you for your time,
realname: Stephen M. Longnecker
city: West Seneca
Remote Name: 220.127.116.11
Date: Wednesday June 30, 2004
Time: 02:51:29 PM
A g-g uncle of mine had something to do with the building of
this boat. He was from Shea's Battalion 4Th Texas Artillery. The
National Archives has copies of muster cards and special orders
sending several men from Port Lavaca Texas to Mobile and then on
to Charleston. These cards also include one for Edgar Collins
Singer and Dr. John Fretwell, inventors of a very sophisticated
metal torpedo. It is possible that a Singer torpedo was on the
end of the spar on the Hunley since I found special orders
dispatching EC Singer and others to Charleston to work on
"torpedoes". I am almost certain the National Archive papers
describe the initial formation of the "Singer Secret Service
Corps", a secret organization of Masons that were involved in
the construction and initial crewing of H.L. Hunley before it
was commandeered by the Army. If you care to read about these
Texans go to
Originally To: George@TheHunley.com
FirstName: james clark
Zip: 31032 1668
Date: 09 Jun 2004
I am trying to find a list of names of the Hunley crew.
I am looking for a Miller who may or may not be family.
You may also call. Thanks
Dear George, My husband and I
attended the Hunley Crew funeral and burial. We were not
disappointed! The Confederate soldiers, sailors, bagpipers,
drummers, widows in black mourning-all performed
realistically. Everyone was polite and patient with Southern
courtesy, including the thousands of spectators! Me being
short could not see the speakers and I was wondering if
there will be a video of the whole thing that we could
order? I also left my camera with roll of pictures in "Bob
and Bobbie's" car. Maybe they will see this and e-mail
"Carol and Barb Stroupe" at
firstname.lastname@example.org. Thank you George for
everything you did to help get us involved! Barb
Could you Please see that Randy Burbage gets this. Thank You,
Sir, I had the Honor of standing guard with Steve Christmas
2002. My Girl friend and I came from Maryland, Burt made us feel
as if we had known him all our lives.
When Sunday's tour was over and it was time to go home, we
hugged, we cried, and Steve asked for a favor, he wanted one of
my buttons, I was a Major General. He cut off one of my buttons
and I cut off one of his. I had hoped to see him again but it
was not to be. Last Friday I was at the C.S.A. Store in
Charleston, and met a Gentleman who was a friend of Steve Burt.
I hold him how much all the Marylanders LOVED Steve! and to
please let all his friends know that.
As we left the store he came over to me and gave me a piece
of black ribbon that was on the flag at Steve's funeral. I was
speechless, brought to tears I couldn't respond properly but
thanked him as best I could. God Bless Him.
We attended the Hunley Funeral with the Maryland Division. I
wore Steve's Button and tied the ribbon around it. I commanded
the Maryland Div. Color Guard/S.C.V.
When we arrived at the cemetery I was able to take pictures
of the last casket being removed (8th man Joseph Ridgaway,
Maryland) I am telling you Steve was there helping us carry the
casket. See Picture. It was Steve's way of letting us know that
he was with us.
On behalf of the Maryland Division S.C.V.We would like to
thank all of the people of South Carolina for making us feel so
Liz Groszer & Bob Parker
I was sorry to read about your brother
Richard passing away. I can only imagine the emotional
roller coaster you have been on recently. It must be really
hard when you lose someone who has been such a large part of
your life for so long. You are a special person and I know
Richard will be waiting on you.
I hope the ceremonies and burial of the
Hunley crew has kept you busy and helped to fill the
emptiness for a while. I wish I could have made it down to
Charleston to meet you and be a part of it all but I care
for my son who had an accident in '96 and try not to get too
far from home. Maybe I'll get down there one day to do some
research and give you a holler.
Thanks for all the work you do to keep us
Hunley fans informed. I don't know what we would do without
you. You do a great job and they may have done you wrong but
good always wins in the end.